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Free Liberal vs. Libertarian

by Carl Milsted

This web site is called The Free Liberal, yet you will often see the word “libertarian” on its pages. What gives? Is “free liberal” just a euphemism for “libertarian?”

In some ways, yes. For example, I just took the Enhanced Precision Political Quiz in 2D and scored 81,81, just north of the middle of the libertarian quadrant of the Nolan Chart. Most of the other writers for this site would also score somewhere in the libertarian quadrant.

That said, my beliefs are strongly at odds with the major strands of libertarian orthodoxy. I categorically reject the Libertarian Party’s membership oath; I do believe in some initiation of force for social purposes. I consider Murray Rothbard’s model of human choice to be deeply flawed, and thus his science [sic!] of praxeology invalid. Ayn Rand’s attacks on altruism make my stomach queasy. Even the CATO folks bother me at times when they lapse into corporatism. (Note that I speak for myself, only. Other writers here have different views.)

For these and other reasons, esteemed members of the libertarian establishment have declared I am not a libertarian. Some call me a statist, a socialist, and worse. Fair enough; time for a different category. Classical liberal sort of works, but it sounds so fossilized, and often gets used by conservatives. So how about free liberal?
To my mind free liberalism is that area between classical liberalism/libertarianism and modern liberalism. The word “liberal” comes from “liberty” and we add the redundant “free” to make this clear. We keep the word “liberal,” however, in order to emphasize a connection with modern liberals. We care. Speaking for myself:

1. I consider the current gap between rich and poor to be excessive, and support some measures to narrow said gap.

2. I’d rather rob from the rich than watch the poor starve.

3. This goes quadruple for the severely handicapped.

4. I think extreme corporatism to be roughly as bad as democratic socialism.

5. I think children and the senile need extra protections.

6. I even think adults could use a bit of protection from hastily made major decisions. (I support buyer’s remorse laws.)

7. I think nature is the natural right of all, and support wilderness set-asides, and protection of endangered species.

8. I favor taking action to stop global warming.

9. And more…

In other words I share many of the values of modern liberals, but not all their prescriptions. Unlike many modern liberals, I appreciate the power of markets and read economics books for fun.

Once again, I spoke for myself. Other writers on this site differ. The Free Liberal is a forum for a range of views spanning from liberal to libertarian.

That said, free liberalism as more than just a gap-filler. It is a potentially ideology on its own terms. It is about freedom broadly defined. Handicapped ramps on the sidewalks make the handicapped more free. A citizen’s dividend from ground rents gives more people the right to private property. A national park gives city dwellers the freedom to experience nature without having to buy a country estate. Even though balancing the different freedoms is tricky and imprecise, free liberalism is more emotionally consistent than libertarianism. It is more utopian, providing the advantages of classical liberalism while fixing its flaws.

It is also more practical. Liberty and a large wealth gap do not mix. When the wealth gap is huge, the poor demand more welfare and the rich demand a police a state. Libertarians should seriously consider free liberalism, because unlike the visions of Rand and Rothbard, a free liberal society could actually be achieved in our lifetime.

Carl Milsted is a senior editor for The Free Liberal.


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Comments

When ever I take one of those pretty sh**** tests I score around a very radical left-libertarian. I say thatthey are bad because theyalways list the statist ones from the top, then the freer ones at the bottom, or in some specific order. I can sympathize with you because it is very hard to choose whether yourmore in line with more government or more corporate monopolies,because if you go toeither extreme that is what your going to be left with. A world run by monopolies can trample a person's rights and liberties just as easily as a statist government.

# posted at by AlexBott

One of the advantages of libertarianism (in theory) is that the people can be very explicit in defining what powers the government has and what powers it doens't have (the Consitution was supposed to do that but obviously failed).

Free liberalism seems to give the government a subjective amount of power.

Compassion and help for the poor, disabled, and alleged manmade global warming can be offered much better in a free society by voluntary contributions of time and money from citizens who are not burdened by taxes and government red tape.

I disagree with your implication that free liberals are more compassionate than libertarians. Libertarians are just more principled and recognize that if you give the government an inch they will take the whole world.

If you refund me my social security taxes, federal and state income taxes, I will be happy to contribute most of that money to charities that will help people I believe need help. These charities can do a much better job of helping people than government welfare.

Further, I would not contribute time or money to fight global warming because I don't believe it is manmade, and I don't like the idea of taxpayers' money going toward a mission that has the scientific community divided. Scientists are profiting from saying global warming is manmade, but some scientists are principled enough to be unemployed rather than lie.

If I am forced to forfeit money to help others, I should at least have a voice in where that money goes. Right now most tax dollars go to rich bankers, ex-politicians, politicians' families and friends, military-industrial complex, pharmaceutical companies, Israel, Iraq, etc.

# posted at by Todd

AlexBott: Corporate monopoly vs. size of government is not a one-dimensional function. You can have small government with diverse businesses, or big government with monopoly corporations. And you can have the converse of each. It's a two-dimensional playing field.

Todd: I am not convinced that libertarianism is more "principled." In fact, libertarianism has fewer principles than I have. Libertarianism is more explicit and well-defined. I would liken libertarianism vs. free liberalism to integers vs. complex numbers. The former are much more simply defined and easy to work with, but are limited in their mapping to the real world.

As for global warming, beware of falling into the Lysenko trap. Scientific results can be ideologically inconvenient. Scientists have been concerned about global warming long before the subject became popular, and thus a real bread-winner. Concern over global warming may be overblown, but until I have time to read up on meteorology, I'll defer to the scientific community. Scientists have biases like anyone else, but they also have a discipline of looking at real world data to test their theories.

Many Austrian school economists, on the other hand, proudly stick to their theories regardless of incoming data. When Rothbard and reality differ, it's reality that's at fault.

# posted at by Carl Milsted

Todd: regarding your last paragraph, much agreement! Getting rid of subsidies to the rich is a core feature of free liberalism.

# posted at by Carl Milsted

I'm with you Carl. A pragmatic, more utilitarian kind of libertarian. I feel a pull toward Georgism personally. And I'm sick to death of the anti-pragmatic Libertarian Party. What a farce.

A few of your listed beliefs are perfectly compatible with libertarianism:

1. Finding the gap between rich and poor excessive - many libertarians take this view. They just want a rebalancing of power not forced redistribution (which creates dependency upon the state).

2. Libertarians would argue that the current set up shores up the rich at the expense of the poor, which results in starvation of the poor. Get rid of the state imposed subsidy to the rich and the poor will suffer less and have more opportunity to raise themselves out of poverty.

3. Libertarians would argue that this can be achieved voluntarily (I'm sure many of us feel as you do and would gladly give voluntarily - and voluntary action would likely be even more efficient too)

4. Corporatism is opposed to libertarianism. Corporatism is the inclusion of corporations in the state - no true libertarian would support it. Many libertarians argue that large corporations are not sustainable without help from the state. Certainly today's big corporations receive bucket loads in aid from the state...

5. Can that protection be offered outside the state? Through community and voluntary arrangements? I'm sure most communities would not stand by whilst the vulnerable are abused (unlike the state which is often complicit in abuse).

6. This does introduce a moral hazard. Even then, could insurance and contract not provide the cover you seek? This is probably the most unlibertarian statement though...

7. Many libertarians would agree with the first part, but they would seek to protect nature through private means (enough people donate to the WWF for example - given greater wealth from a libertarian society they would have more disposable income for that sort of thing). The state itself is a poor guarantor of preservation of natural resources, as has been shown again and again.

8. Some libertarians agree, others disagree. The question is again is government intervention needed, and if so can it be prevented from doing more harm than good (recent intervention in bio-fuels in Europe does not bode well...).
On the science - unfortunately the science seems very messy and political, it prevents me from making a clear judgment, but when I come across bad science on both sides of the debate and politics driven decisions on both sides I just want to walk away and let things happen freely.

That said, free liberals are allies of libertarians. We agree on so many things.
Getting rid of subsidies (in all forms) to the rich and rebalancing power seem to be core to both.
There are many many areas we can work together, and I fully advocate doing so.

Tristan: it may be possible to have a society that is both libertarian and free liberal, but I won't bet on it. Tax the rich vs. starve the poor could be a false dichotomy -- under some circumstances. Ditto for the environment, etc.

I've just encountered too many libertarians over the years who celebrate any tax cut or spending cut in any order, regardless of the side-effects. I do not favor arbitrary welfare cuts under current conditions. How government is cut is extremely important. With the subsidies for the rich removed, and the middle class taken off most entitlements, privatizing the safety net may well become a good idea.

# posted at by Carl Milsted

I agree that these tests are biased. I agree with many of Carl's positions (although I think manmade global warming may be a good thing considering the planet is in an interglacial period of an ice age at present) yet I score on the line between libertarian and liberal in a diagonal from Carl's point on the chart to the line, yet the blue area under the line lights up for me.

It is hard to come up with a good instrument for original thinkers. The "agree with candidates" questionaires in the MSM are even worse.

I agree with Carl's point, that to be a Free Liberal is different than being an LP member or small l libertarian.

It is time to form our own party and either do something of note or attract a cadre of noteables who share our philosophy to run for office and start winning elections. Such accomplishments are what it takes to get noticed in the MSM, which is essential to build a movement and elect more candidates.

# posted at by Michael Bindner

Is this about what to expect from an admitted crypto-racist with national security ties who praises the racist Immanuel Kant, father of pragmatism?

This jerk once said when he found out that Libertarians had a majority on a local board that he didn't like that reality. A true pragmatist.

The FREE LIBERAL has become a haven for 'oughtta be a law' crackpots. No wonder they can't get on campuses anymore.

# posted at by ken

Fuck you, Tyler Cowen!

# posted at by Alex Tabarrok

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# posted at by JAJA