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Article I, Section 8

by Robert Capozzi

As a blog committed to transpartisanship, TFL enjoys exchanging ideas, even with those with whom we disagree. Adam Baney, whose latest comments use terms that are associated with great frequency with “neoconservative” thinkers, seems to bristle a bit at the label. I retract the use of the label in his case.


Still, when an author uses the term “get us all killed,” that is rhetoric that neocons use, frequently so. It is, in my opinion, noxious, overstated rhetoric, designed to incite fear and a sense of vengeance among the American people. Baney himself has not countered my point that the US is, at this stage in history, “non-conquestable.” Other members of the nuclear club could inflict grave damage, but the US nuclear-weapon stockpile makes such an attack unfathomable, as the US response would be cataclysmic. Hundreds of millions of Islamic jihadists or, say, Chinese infantry landing, say, in Baltimore or San Francisco and fanning out across the 50 states is equally unfathomable.

In and of itself, that is a remarkable historic achievement. We live in the first nation in history that seems utterly immune from foreign military takeover. (I suppose the “Martians” could do it, but let’s put that one aside where it should be: On the science fiction shelves.)

This “get us killed” rhetoric sickens me in its overstatement. I can’t know, but the neocons that popularized it in recent years are dealing in the basest form of manipulative demonization in many, many years. It’s the worst sort of “chaff”; we here at TFL prefer to deal in “wheat.”

Some specific responses seem in order:

Should the leaders of our government consult with Robert Capozzi every time they feel there is a threat to national security?

No. While I’d be happy to serve in that capacity, it’s not at all what I’m suggesting, nor is this silly thought remotely likely.

My point is that our government must be able to do the job it's intended to do.

Yes! Yes! Yes! The intention is what “our government” should do, and, equally important, what it should NOT do. Baney may need a basic civics lesson, but one senses he’s at least read – at some point – the US Constitution. There, the intention of what the government’s job is laid out reasonably clearly. Relevant here is Article I, Section 8, which states: “The Congress shall have power to…declare war.”

Why is so hard to understand that it is impossible to have a framework of "adequate responses" to every world event. You write as if we should enact laws and guidelines for every conceivable event, then respond by the book.

It’s not at all hard to understand, but thank you. We can talk about exigent circumstances and give many examples of situations where it seems reasonable that the executive branch could use force to repel an invasion of the US, and even its embassies, or possibly even its allies. Does anyone disagree, however, that the US Constitution is the law of the land? Or that this is a nation of laws, not men, and certainly not autocrats? Or that the President has had ample time to ask Congress for a FORMAL declaration of war, and that Congress has had ample time to vote on it?

This country is not where it is today because we measured and calculated our response and took everyone's feelings in mind, we are the greatest nation because we ha(d) the wisdom to elect those willing to protect us.

Interesting way of putting it. Mine’s different. The US is a great nation by historical standards for entirely different reasons. Here are some of MY favorites:

• “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…”
• “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

Notice that powers are “derived” from the “governed.” Perhaps I missed something, but a constitutional republic is supposed to work whereby representatives of the people vote on matters of state, checked by the laws and, in the US’s case, the Constitution itself. A hardy and generally visionary bunch came up with this formula in the 18th century, and while I might personally quibble with some of the specifics, it seems to have worked pretty well. It certainly works far better than a monarchy.

The “blessings of liberty” are at stake here. Americans are waking up from the fearful fog of 9/11, and connecting the dots that the premise for the Iraq War was a pernicious fabrication, based on a range of miscalculations, misstatements, and mis-application of our own laws. It was not an act of “protection”; instead, it was the latest in a series of executive usurpations of powers that are, at best, extra-legal.

It’s time to get back to the basics.

-Robert Capozzi


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Comments

Thanks...I guess. You can label me whatever you so desire, it's a commonly used writer's tactic, intent on discrediting the person you are debating. I'm flattered I'm worthy of discrediting.

I find it fascinating that, in all I have posted, you seem to pick out phrases instead of the underlying ideals. My purpose in the "getting us all killed" comment is figurative...I believe the average middle schooler could pick up on that. While a conquest of the country is unlikely, that should not be the focus of worry. I'm not focused on who would win if attacked by a WMD, I'm focused on preventing that day from happening. I don't think those living in Baltimore would take any comfort in the fact that, although they are being attacked and murdered, the rest of the country is safe from conquest. You cannot think in terms of "as long as they don't get all of us, we will survive". It is the duty of our government to protect all of us, not just ensure the overall survival of the country. The main difference between us...you are about measured responses, I believe pre-emptive action...the only way real to protect ourselves.

I have never once argued against the constitution, or on the importance of government in the decision to go to war. My point is that our leaders, specifically, our Commander-in-Chief, must be able to respond immediately to any situation, as it arises. In times like these, where partisan squabbling could delay the necessity of action, our leaders must not be tied down to a republican vs. democrat grind.

In terms of government, and the constitution you quote repeatedly, let's focus on the men responsible for it's writing. These men did not wait for a national consensus, or the approval of other country's to do what they felt was right. They didn't waiver at the thought of losing, they did what they believed. The difference between those brave men, and yourself, is you, could never make the decisions they did. Your concern for potential loss, rather than the importance of the cause is exactly what is wrong with our country. The reason our country is great has nothing to do with words on paper, it's in the mindset that we all must sacrifice for freedom.

I believe that we must do everything we can to ensure a safe future for us, and those who desire freedom. That as a free nation, we must never neglect the ambitions of anyone who wishes these freedoms, and be willing to protect them. You and I don't agree because you lack the vision of a world that is anything but black and white. If the world in which we lived were full of 2 way decisions, we be best of friends. It's not however, therefore, the world needs more me's, to counteract the backwards thoughts of the many of you's.

There is no doubt that the "blessings of liberty" are at stake. I truly that the both of us believe we are right in terms of how to defend this country. We are not that far off base, but I'm scared that your lack of vision could eventually lead to a relaxed view of the very real threats that exist in the world today. I never believed that a 9/11 could happen to us, based upon the same logic you used in the "non-conquestable" argument. If we become reluctant to look at worst case scenario, and consider the evil in all that threaten us, we are doomed to repeat the tragedy of 9/11.

I appreciate the back and forth of our posts. It is essential that both sides of the argument be heard in it's entirety. I thank you for this opportunity, and encourage you to consider a conservative blogger for your site.

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